Ваксини и Ваксинационни Програми

В тетрахиб няма живак,но има алуминиев хидроксид.
В имовакс няма живак,но има формалдехид или формалин (мрав4ена киселина,иzполzва се в мебелната индустрия и zа консервиране на трупове) ,стрептомицин и неомицин.Детето ви да не е алерги4но кьм някоя от теzи сьставки?

Дали сьдьржа живак,не играе роля дали е "на спринцовка" или орално.И в двата слу4ая може да има.

Не се съдържа живак в опаковките съдържащи една доза!
Тимерозал съдържащ се в много-дозови флакони доказано не представлява проблем. Така или иначе днес дори и тези флакони или са с минимално количество или изобщо не съдържат Тимерозал.
В Бг не се търгуват много-дозови флакони, а само индивидуални-дози опаковки.

Пак глупости, пак безкрайни глупости...

@Бьрди,ваШ колега цитирам...


From Pediatric News:
Don't Be First or Last to Use a Drug or Vaccine---Mike Bykowski, Senior Writer [Pediatric News 33(7):13, 1999. International Medical News Group] Hilton Head, S.C.
    Don't be the first or the last in your community to use a new drug or vaccine, Dr. Jerome O. Klein advised at a meeting on clinical pediatrics sponsored by Boston Medical Center.
    When a new drug comes on the market, it's typically based on 5,000-10,000 subjects who have received it because that's all you need for FDA approval, said Dr. Klein, director of pediatric infectious diseases at Boston Medical Center.
    If there's an adverse event with an incidence of 1 in 20,000 associated with the drug or vaccine, it won't be detected right away. Unless the new drug or vaccine fills a critical void, Dr. Klein recommended staying away from it until the first 100,000 individuals have been treated. After that "you can feel a lot more comfortable that the adverse event profile is as it has been
described."


http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm
Тук има написани само 4 слу4ая zа последици от ваксини.
Вие,Бьрди,нари4ате теzи неЩа  " слухове, истерични подмятания и злобни нашепвания,общо лафче, слухове и нашепвания на ухо"
Не ви желая zлото,но ако това ви се слу4и на вас или на децата ви,Ще бьде вид вьzмеzдие zа теzи,които сте отровили.

@Бьрди,
Не виждам глупости никьде.Просто 4ета опаковката,която е пред о4ите ми.

Пресна иzвадка на иzследвания zа тимероzал.
US DAVIS PRESS RELEASE




FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

March 21, 2006, 12:01 a.m. EST

CONTACT: Karen Finney

(916) 734-9064

karen.finney@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu

UC DAVIS STUDY WITH MICE LINKS THIMEROSALWITH IMMUNE SYSTEM DYSFUNCTION


(Sacramento, Calif.) – A team of cell biologists, toxicologists and molecular bioscientists at the University of California, Davis, has published a study connecting thimerosal with disruptions in antigen-presenting cells known as dendritic cells obtained from mice. The study provides the first evidence that dendritic cells show unprecedented sensitivity to thimerosal, resulting in fundamental changes in the immune system’s ability to respond to external factors. The study was published online today and will be available in the July print edition of Environmental Health Perspectives, the peer-reviewed scientific publication of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

“This is the first time that thimerosal has been shown to selectively alter the normal functions of dendritic cells,” said Isaac Pessah, a toxicologist with the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine, director of the Children’s Center for Environmental Health and Disease Prevention and senior author of the study. “Dendritic cells play pivotal roles in overcoming viral and bacterial invaders by coordinating the immune system’s overall combat response.” One dendritic cell can activate as many as 300 T-cells – white blood cells that help find and kill external agents that attack the immune system – making them the most effective immune system activators.

The study shows how intricate connections between calcium channels in dendritic cells change when exposed to thimerosal. “The slightest fluctuation in how calcium channels ‘communicate’ can alter the growth, maturation and activation of dendritic cells,” explained Pessah. “Thimerosal dramatically alters how two key calcium channels, code-named RyR1 and IP3R1, found in dendritic cells function as a team by ‘garbling’ the normal signaling system between them.”

When thimerosal at a concentration as low as 20 parts per billion alters the fidelity of normal calcium signals, dendritic cells show abnormal secretion of IL-6 cytokine – a potent chemical signal that initiates inflammatory responses. Higher concentrations – 200 parts per billion – causes programmed death of dendritic cells, preventing them from maturing and doing their primary job of activating T-cells. Without proper feedback to guide its response, a normal dendritic cell can quickly become “a rogue, producing misinformation that could activate aberrant and harmful immune responses,” Pessah explained. “Even one rogue dendritic cell can activate many inappropriate immune responses.”

The research team conducted the study on cells cultured from a strain of mouse not particularly susceptible to immune dysregulation. Using fluorescent stains and powerful microscopes to study both immature and mature dendritic cells from bone marrow cultured under normal physiological conditions, the researchers discovered that extremely small levels of thimerosal interfere significantly with calcium channel function after just a few minutes of exposure. They also observed that immature dendritic cells are particularly sensitive to thimerosal.

Thimerosal is a cheap and effective mercury-based preservative. Its potential effects on embryonic neuron development led to its removal from many pediatric vaccines, however it is still used in influenza, diphtheria and tetanus vaccines, blood products and many over-the-counter pharmaceuticals. The concentrations of thimerosal used by the UC Davis researchers were comparable to those attained in childhood vaccinations containing the preservative.

Researchers and parents have previously proposed links between childhood vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder that affects language skills and social interactions. In addition to being a direct neurotoxicant, the UC Davis study indicates that thimerosal may also be an immunotoxicant, leaving the immune system vulnerable to microbes and other external influences.

“Our findings do not directly implicate thimerosal as a single causative agent for triggering neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism,” Pessah said. “There is growing evidence that autism is several disorders that we now refer to as just one. There is also growing evidence that some children with autism have unique immune cell composition and responses to antigens. The results of our work provide a framework to test the hypothesis that the genetic background of some individuals may render them especially susceptible to thimerosal.”

Other experts also advise drawing no final conclusions regarding thimerosal and autism based on these outcomes.

“These findings should be interpreted cautiously. Although they suggest that thimerosal may affect dendritic cell function, the pathophysiological consequences of thimerosal remain unclear,” said David A. Schwartz, a physician and director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

Since cell functions can differ across organisms, Pessah will next study dendritic cells isolated from the blood of children with and without autism to confirm if the intercellular changes are the same in humans. The initial mouse study was funded by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and the UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute. Joining Pessah on the scientific team were molecular bioscientists Samuel R. Goth, Ruth A. Chu and Gennady Cherednichenko and pathologist Jeffrey P. Gregg.

Ина4е,няма проблеми,и в кафето,и в коzметиката има живак и вси4ко са слухове и иzмислици на Кристиян....

"Our findings do not directly implicate thimerosal as a single causative agent for triggering neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism,”
Изследванията са върху мишки-"dendritic cells obtained from mice...". Как го свързвате с човешки дендритни клетки? Имате ли данни за това? Имате ли данни че двете са сходни по структура и функции? И че всичко написано за мишки е сходно с това, ставащо в човешки организъм?

Доста сте далеч за да различите зърното от плявата...

Да се смея ли да пла4а ли....
Според вас вьрху какви органиzми се правят опити zа вси4ки лекарства???????
Вьрху животни от всякакьв род и вид и после иzлиzат на паzара като тествани и сигурни zа ХОРАТА.

Ами добре,хайде да по4акаме тогава да иzлеzе на бял свят,4е" directly implicate thimerosal as a single causative agent ". Аz няма да 4акам,благодаря.

 Its potential effects on embryonic neuron development led to its removal from many pediatric vaccines, however it is still used in influenza, diphtheria and tetanus vaccines, blood products and many over-the-counter pharmaceuticals. The concentrations of thimerosal used by the UC Davis researchers were comparable to those attained in childhood vaccinations containing the preservative.

In addition to being a direct neurotoxicant, the UC Davis study indicates that thimerosal may also be an immunotoxicant, leaving the immune system vulnerable to microbes and other external influences.


Това май го пропуснахте...
какво zна4ение има ве4е.Става беzсмислен спор,кое е 4ерно,кое е бяло.Който има о4и,нека гледа.

Да, изследвания се правят върху животински модели, но по отношение на функции и детайли, които са сравняеми с тези при човека. Или не сравняеми по отношение на редица фундаментални изводи, които после се препроверяват за валидност и при човек.

Ами тогава им се обади и им кажи,4е иzследванията им са ирелевантни и не важат тука в форума.

Имам вьпрос кьм Бьрди,
Ваксината среЩу коклиуШ (пертусис) е натоварена с  бактерията Бордетела Пертусис.
Как то4но таzи бактерия предиzвиква zаболяването (не от ваксината,а при самото zаболяване) Имате ли някакво обяснение?

После ме интересуваШе и zа Тетанус и Дифтерия,ама само ако имате време...Горе долу май са на един принцип...

Birdie, имам въпрос свързан с ваксината АктХиб. Не сме я слагали преди годинката и решихме да е сега. Преди 2 дни ходихме на кансултация. Педиатърката беше болна - ще отсъства целия месец - сестрата беше там, претегли малкия, измери го и извика замесничката на педито да го преслуша. Питахме да слагаме ли ваксината и дали има странични действия - температури и разни неразположения, и ни казаха, че няма проблем да я сложим. Била лека ваксина и не предизвиквала реакции. Сложихме АктХиб-а и му дадоха капки - 4-тия прием на полиото.
Е, да, ама днес като къпехме сина ми, забелязах, че ръчичката му е доста подута и леко посиняла 
Не знам какво да правя, дали да търся педи или заместничката? Дали е нещо сериозно или не трябва да се безпокоя? Има и леко разтройство, но то може да е предизвикано и от растящия в момента кътник. Дай някакъв съвет, моля, че ми е доста притеснено 

Това са преходни странични ефекти. Преминават за около 3-4 дена.

Благодаря ти много за бързия отговор   

Не се притеснявайте-утре може леко да разтриете мястото с ледено компресче-помага за намаляване на оттока и болката...